[2NL] 6m AA OOP rivers nut flush on baby flush board

[Pelion]

I know this is a pretty old thread now, but just to respond quickly to the point about wanting to bluff when villains calling range is very tight i.e. K+.

@bold, if this is true, then you should bluff more.

This is a board where that isn't really true. We hold A, so we know villain can have at best K and be unsure about calling with even the top of his range, so theoretically we should bluff more.

The problem is, if we want to bluff it means we don't hold the A, which means there are now a tonne of ways villain can have the nuts.

Knowing where the A is massively changes villains range for the hand.

[seven-deuce]

I know this is a pretty old thread now, but just to respond quickly to the point about wanting to bluff when villains calling range is very tight i.e. K+.






This is a board where that isn't really true. We hold A, so we know villain can have at best K and be unsure about calling with even the top of his range, so theoretically we should bluff more.

The problem is, if we want to bluff it means we don't hold the A, which means there are now a tonne of ways villain can have the nuts.

Knowing where the A is massively changes villains range for the hand.

Holy shit never thought of that, so if we happen to get to the river with the bottom of our range which we would want to bluff the river with, we wouldn't hold the A and could be bluffing into the nuts, and we wouldn't know "i should be bluffing more here because he's gonna have a really tough decision with the K T etc."

So in a way his range gets stronger when we don't hold the A and it gets weaker when we hold the A ?

We know his range is capped at a king-high flush when we hold the A and if we don't hold it we don't have this information so we can't decide "we should be bluffing more in this river spot in general"? because his range becomes stronger?

This shit's getting tricky.

[spoonitnow]

We know his range is capped at a king-high flush when we hold the A and if we don't hold it we don't have this information so we can't decide "we should be bluffing more in this river spot in general"? because his range becomes stronger?

You won't run into this problem if you're thinking about how to play your range against your opponent's range because your current cards don't come into consideration.

[spoonitnow]

I know this is a pretty old thread now, but just to respond quickly to the point about wanting to bluff when villains calling range is very tight i.e. K+.






This is a board where that isn't really true. We hold A, so we know villain can have at best K and be unsure about calling with even the top of his range, so theoretically we should bluff more.

The problem is, if we want to bluff it means we don't hold the A, which means there are now a tonne of ways villain can have the nuts.

Knowing where the A is massively changes villains range for the hand.

You're right about all of this except for the assertion that this means we shouldn't bluff more. We can still make calls with the 2nd and 3rd nut flushes difficult decisions and induce mistakes even if he can hold the nuts. The question is about the hands that he can fold, not the hands he can't, and the chances of him holding the nuts are taken into consideration with that.